Stephan Maus - ouroboros@social.stephanmaus.de

Stephan Maus

ouroboros@social.stephanmaus.de

Writer & Journalist (staff reporter @ "stern"-magazine, a German weekly)

Location:: Germany

Gender:: Male

Homepage:: www.stephanmaus.de

Digital ethnology

Stephan Maus

Tue, 17 Apr 2018 07:55:19 +0200 last edited: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 10:48:44 +0200

HYPOTHESIS
Software-code is reflecting culture & mindset of programmer.

EXERCISE
(1) Define culture and mindset of #mastodon & #pleroma programmers.

(2) Show, how hypothesis applies to code, protocols & features of #mastodon & #pleroma.

Stephan Maus

Fri, 06 Apr 2018 19:32:29 +0200

maiyannah wrote the following post Fri, 06 Apr 2018 13:56:33 +0200

If there's anything hacking on postActiv has taught me, it's why the fediverse hasn't moved forward in years. Instead of collaborating, people go off on their own projects that duplicate work and effort for pretty much no gain. It's not surprising: everyone wants to be a chief, no one wants to be an indian, so to speak. I only made postActiv to push GS forward since the issues and PRs weren't getting put in a time fashion, but this isn't the first time someone who has had the same experience has ignored it to go off and do their own thing.

We're just going in circles and circles, all the while wondering why we get nowhere. Hubzilla and Diaspora are the ones actually solving the hard problems of the fediverse, and by and large they've been ignored too. Actually fixing things isn't "sexy"

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Fri, 06 Apr 2018 19:49:10 +0200

Ja, die Dame hat was gegen Mastodon und die Aufmerksamkeit, die dorthin ging. Sie hat aber auch wirklich Ahnung. Muss man nicht teilen, aber ich sehe auch nicht, was Mastodon an Weiterentwicklung gebracht hat.

Stephan Maus

Fri, 06 Apr 2018 19:52:51 +0200

Ich glaube, #mastodon 's poppige Anmutung ist sehr verlockend.

Zachary Dunn

Fri, 06 Apr 2018 20:01:20 +0200 last edited: Fri, 06 Apr 2018 20:02:45 +0200

I do agree that there should be better collaboration between fediverse projects, but we need multiple implementations. Despite the oldheads' dislike of Mastodon's ramshackle development, it has helped the fediverse move forward. This is something I was just musing about myself.

https://start.hubzilla.org/channel/zack/?f=&mid=a43fd1e70fd327fdc9668e75ad6bd3dc11bb9fd493d9ed51d5dc283d53a5dd23@start.hubzilla.org

There's a similar issue with web browsers. Users should have a choice in the software they use, but be able to access any content.

Fri, 06 Apr 2018 20:09:32 +0200

Ich weiß nicht ganz, was von dem Hype geblieben ist. Die Berliner Qualitätstweetstwitterer sind z.B. alle weg da. Aber big in Japan. Ich mag diese Tweetdeck-Optik nicht, da ist mir Gnu Social selbst lieber, aber da habe ich in der Tat keine Weiterentwicklung festgestellt, spich Unterhaltungen mit Teilnehmern aus unterschiedlichen anderen Knotenpunkten werden da nicht reingezogen. Das funktioniert bei Mastodon auch nicht, da besteht vom Entwickler scheinbar auch kein Interesse.

Es gibt halt noch Pleroma, das schwieriger zu installerien als Gnu Social ist, aber das mit dem Reinholen wohl hinbekommt. Keine Ahnung, mir reichen Friendica und Hubzilla bisher. Ein Bekannter hat übrigens gestern versucht, das irgendwie bei 1&1 unterzubringen, klappt wohl nicht.

Stephan Maus

Fri, 06 Apr 2018 20:11:53 +0200

Hier läuft's auf all.inkl. Bislang gut.

Fri, 06 Apr 2018 20:13:40 +0200

I like the idea of friendica developers that want friendica to be as easily installed as wordpress is. That's a point why I don't turn my back on friendica, although hubzilla works pretty much the same.

hEARt PhoniX

Fri, 06 Apr 2018 23:21:58 +0200

Problems with connection to Mastodon

Stephan Maus

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 10:49:02 +0200

!Hubzilla Support Forum Good morning Hubzilla-People!

When I'm trying to connect to a #mastodon - user, I get the error-message "channel dicovery failed". This is very strange because several days ago, I succeeded in connecting to some mastodon-users and I see them in my connection-list (although I don't really know if I still see their posts).

Do you have any idea what happened?

Best,
Stephan

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DigiTrötlon 💻

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 10:54:07 +0200

@ouroboros I've been experiencing this for ages!

Stephan Maus

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 10:57:34 +0200

Where, "Trötlon"? On #Hubzilla?

Mike Macgirvin

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 11:58:57 +0200

The most important bit is to visit settings/featured and turn on any external protocols you wish to use, for instance OStatus, Diaspora and ActivityPub. You'll need ActivityPub for Mastodon. These protocols are optional plugins and aren't installed on every site. Next, for Mastodon over ActivityPub you will need to use the URL of the connection like https://mastodon.something/users/Foobar . For most other protocols the connection address will look like foobar@some.thing

Stephan Maus

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 12:08:03 +0200

Thank you, @Mike Macgirvin ! Works now! Phantastic!

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 14:06:56 +0200

I still have this problem with some, not all mastodon instances. At least I can connect with users over there, when they conntact me.

Stephan Maus

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 18:38:12 +0200

@Mike Macgirvin Actually, the connection to #Mastodon still doesn't work. I activated the Plug-In "PubCrawl. An unapologetically non-compliant ActivityPub Protocol implemention" but I don't see any #mastodon-posts in my timeline. Is there perhaps any other PlugIn to activate?

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 18:49:09 +0200

I have the same problem. Posts written by my ActivityPub connections don't show up in my timeline but in the public stream.

Stephan Maus

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:00:48 +0200

You're right, @Julian Schweinsberg , same with me. I see some #Mastodon posts in my public feed but not in my timeline. Strange. (the contacts show up in my "connection" - section)

Mike Macgirvin

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 07:50:50 +0200

This is still on my to-do list but I've been wrestling OAuth2 most of the day. I also don't use Mastodon or ActivityPub so I might have to build up a test environment again. I remember Mastodon has an awkward connection process and a connection request doesn't mean anything until it has been approved on both sides. We may be forced by the protocol to withhold permissions until it is accepted. (I really don't remember the nitty details of this process and need to look at the code again). If this is the case and the Mastodon person has approved the connection I don't know what might have changed because this has all been working well for about 8-9 months.

Stephan Maus

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 08:06:24 +0200

Thanks, @Mike Macgirvin ! Just to give you some information about my (newbie) - experience: for the moment, I can't connect my timeline to #mastodon, #pleroma & #postactive. - Mastodon is special here: I see added contacts in my "connections" & "public stream" but not in my timeline. If I want to connect pleroma- or postactive-users, i get error-messages during connection process ("channel discovery failed").

Mike Macgirvin

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 08:46:28 +0200

Good news and bad news...

First the good news. Mastodon is working just fine for me.

Now for the bad news. Mastodon is working just fine for me. So I don't know what to fix.

Have a look at your connection's permission settings (Connection -> edit one) and make sure they have permission to "send their channel stream and posts". This should be automatic but since some other folks were having permissions issues earlier that's worth double checking.

I know about Pleroma. They're working on fixing a signature bug last I heard (about 12 hours ago). When we do get this working you'll need to run dev code because they use a weird public key format we weren't accounting for.

postActiv has always worked for me using the GNU-Social protocol. Make sure that's turned on.

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 10:00:10 +0200

Good morning! Could this be a problem that has only to do with mastodon? I couldn't connect to an account on mastodon.xyz yesterday, but I actually could this morning without changing anything on my site.

Stephan Maus

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 10:23:24 +0200

Do you see the #mastodon-posts in your timeline?

Stephan Maus

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:03:17 +0200

Interesting: I connected with my own #mastodon-account and precised the #ActivityPub - protocol in the beginning of the connection-demand ([activitypub]https://social.tchncs.de/@stephanmaus). - Then, on Mastodon, I followed back my freshly connected #Hubzilla-Account (ouroboros@social.stephanmaus.de). - And finally, on #Hubzilla, I approved the pending connection-demand from my mastodon-account. And after these 3 steps, I get my freshly posted #mastodon-test-messages in my #Hubzilla-timeline. Problem solved. Now, I know why I called myself "OUROBOROS". Thank you very much, @Mike Macgirvin !

Mike Macgirvin

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:06:32 +0200

Since I can't find a problem I'm a bit hesitant to make guesses as to the source of the problem.

elmussol

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:11:20 +0200

The Worm Ouroboros -- E. R. Eddison

#gutenberg

Mario Vavti

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:19:57 +0200

@Stephan Maus it's safer to use [activitypub]https://social.tchncs.de/users/stephanmaus instead of [activitypub]https://social.tchncs.de/@stephanmaus

Stephan Maus

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:24:33 +0200

@Mario Vavti Okay, cool, I'll use it. Thank you! (Why is it safter, btw?)

Mario Vavti

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:45:13 +0200

I just got better results that way during my testing.

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 12:59:01 +0200

I have rome from social.tchncs.de in my timeline. The rest I follow wasn't posting anything so far, I think.

Stephan Maus

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 16:34:36 +0200

@Mike Macgirvin I just didn’t know that a Mastodon-user has to follow me back if I want to read his/her posts in my timeline. Otherwise he/she only appears in my „public stream".

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 16:43:34 +0200

That's not the case. I can read rome in my timeline, although he's not following me.

Stephan Maus

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 17:10:00 +0200

Mysteries of #Fediverse.

giac hellvecio

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 17:31:35 +0200

in truth I have always had some problems with the federation with gnusocial and mastodon, sometimes it works, others not ....Mike always does miracles (for federating), but on the other hand/side they often "destroy" these miracles.

there is no comparison with the-federation (the federation using diaspora protocol), that works much better, more stable.

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 17:49:02 +0200

Very interesting. It works for me if the other person follows back... or something like that.

Wed, 04 Apr 2018 18:42:37 +0200

Derartige Installationen auf Shared Hostern sind halt auch immer so eine Sache. GS ist bei mir langsam aber sicher sehr lahm geworden. Friendica dagegen ist am schnellsten bislang und es lässt sich auch so einfach wie WordPress installieren.