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How do you listen to music? I used to listen to Spotify, but it’s bad. No artist can live from streaming-royalties. And if you can listen to everything, you don’t pay attention to anything. Now, i’m listening to internet-radios (byte.fm etc.). What are your music-habitudes? Any ideas for fair services?
How do you listen to music? I used to listen to Spotify, but it’s bad. No artist can live from streaming-royalties. And if you can listen to everything, you don’t pay attention to anything. Now, i’m listening to internet-radios (byte.fm etc.). What are your music-habitudes? Any ideas for fair services?
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Interesting text about streaming by wonderful musician Malakoff Kowalski:
Killt Streamingdienst den Plattenstar? Ein Plädoyer von Malakoff Kowalski - Spex Magazin
Killt Streamingdienst den Plattenstar? Ein Plädoyer von Malakoff Kowalski - Spex Magazin
Die Diskussion um Streamingdienste wurde 2015 von Urhebern und Schallplattenliebhabern mit maximaler Intensität geführt und im Prinzip als ein Werk des Teufels begriffen. Unser Autor, seinerseits Schöpfer musikalischer Werke, ist gegenteiliger Meinung. Ein Plädoyer für Streaming.
I'm old school and still use CDs :)
It helps that there's only been about 6 bands/singers I've liked in the last 25 years
It helps that there's only been about 6 bands/singers I've liked in the last 25 years
I love using Headset for WIN/MAC not sure about Linux it streams from Youtube audio only and without ads
https://headsetapp.co/
https://headsetapp.co/
I love streaming from Youtube without video or ads using "headset" https://headsetapp.co/
I buy CDs, but most time with Amazon AutoRIP, so I have everything digitally and can upload it to my family ampache server. So I have my own streaming with music I love and I payed for it. Hope more money lands at the Authors pocket.
@Hubzilla @ sasiflo Sounds good! Unfortunately, I very much hate Amazon.
Amazon + AutoRIP is a comfortable combination. But it’s strange that the music industry didn’t find something to independently sell/distribute their content. Neil Young is trying something, I think. - The publishing companies in Germanys tried to create an alternative to the Kindle: Tolino. I am wondering if there could be a way to easily and fairly consume music. Perhaps just use Spotify, count the hours and donate an appropriate amount of money to independent music projects. Dunno...
There is no reason artists cannot host their own websites and embrace new technologies such as BitTorrent Bundles. Centralized invisible prisons must be more convenient.
You can't be too hard on yourself; there just aren't the ideal options available. There aren't even enough experimental options to support. I buy music from Amazon (only if it is DRM-free MP3 files), but admittedly I make enough use of their streaming service (and a free Pandora radio account) to listen to music that my motivation to purchase music to actually own has dropped significantly.
Ideally you would pay artists directly to access their music streamed to you via a decentralized load-sharing network like bittorrent running on open source apps. This means DRM would not be possible, so society would simply have to agree that they will not steal the music by downloading it and distributing it beyond the artist's wishes. There is a maturity required of civilizations that wish to have liberty. If our society wants to act like children, then our freedoms will naturally be diminished accordingly by those we allow to do so.
Ideally you would pay artists directly to access their music streamed to you via a decentralized load-sharing network like bittorrent running on open source apps. This means DRM would not be possible, so society would simply have to agree that they will not steal the music by downloading it and distributing it beyond the artist's wishes. There is a maturity required of civilizations that wish to have liberty. If our society wants to act like children, then our freedoms will naturally be diminished accordingly by those we allow to do so.
Still, it’s crazy: We have all the technological possibilities to fairly distribute and promote art. Some are willing to pay. And still: We are fed by closed super-structures who exploit artists and promote bad taste.
i had CDs in the 90s then i listened from Hard-Disk until 2014, then i listened at youtube until 2017, then i revitalized the Musics hard-disk and used it as network storage, and TODAY i reopened the box with all the CDs - WOW - how much better the sound is... so back to CDs
If a band is on bandcamp, I usually buy their music from there because bc offers DRM-free downloads in multiple formats. Apart from this I listen to online radio and still buy CDs at concerts. Since my taste isn't very mainstream and most Bands I listen to are hobbyists, I get quite far with this approach.
CD - and Apple Music. I never Just have Music Just in the Background - when I Listen to Music I do nothing Else (besides drinking Beer). Dare so meine to disturb me! And did I mention that I hate this stupid Google Keyboard which puts every Word with Capital First Letter?
I use all this and more to varying intensity and regularity. It might happen I use some sources heavily and almost exclusively over some time, then almost not at all for the benefit of others.
- huge CD collection, almost all ripped securely and in lossless flac, served by an intranet webserver and Ampache, it's almost 1TB ...
- Spotify (In fact a dream come true and I hear quite often people contradicting the rip off-claim, they say it were again lables etc who were ruining it for the artists ...)
- Bandcamp, Bandcamp and Bandcam (by far the most often used buying option, usually for downloads)
- Qobuz.com (but when buying flacs sadly often without pdf booklet is way more expensive than the CD it becomes pointless ... bought the latest Björk CD for €12, the non-HQ flac was to be €19 ..., as of now it appears to have been taken down)
- netlabels, archive.org
- wide range of global radio shows, esp. JOY 94.9, Radio Eins, Triple J, Double J, Deutschlandfunk*, WDR Open Sound, Difficult Listening on RTRFM, PBS 107.9FM ..., F.S.K. Hamburg, ...
- ...
- Plus I still enjoy a wide range of music magazines, Mojo, laut.de / Intro.de, Superdeluxeditions.com, and more
Many (most) radio stations are using more or even more compression, exciters and stuff like that. The idea behind that is at least twofold: get noticed more when spinning the dial and in addition get across in adverse environments such as noisy city spaces, offices and the likes even on cheap equipment. I understand but dread this. One of my favourite German radio statio (Radio Eins) does this very audibly, DLF* does it only modest. Some community radio stations also participate in this, though their sonic results are often even worse.
As for using digital sources, that even seems like a good idea. I have read from several producers who said, if you want to get as close as possible to what they are hearing as the finished product, cut out as much as additional factors as possible, rip your CDs to flac and listen via good computer soundcards. Even the additional factor of CD players can play a factor on changing the sound, and vinyl even more, vinyl as such is for technological reasons never true to the original signal. It's a fascinating technology, but here single components create even more very individual changes in sound. This individual flexibility (money provided) is fascinating, but it's not "true to the original" as often claimed.
Thr Beatles always complained that the bass was significantly cut on the vinyl end product, but were always told that bass had to be reduced in order to avoid tobe arm skipping especially on those then popular cheap vinyl killers.
Just a few days ago I heard an interview with Giles Martin, son of the Beatles' producer George Martin who has been involved with going back as far as possible to the unbounced source tracks and creating remixes. Bouncing was a necessity in those days when working around the limitations of four track tapes, esp. for complex recordings such as Sgt. Pepper. Going back to the source tracks alone brings us significant sonic improvements, where he sais he gets praise for the great sound of his remixes even though that is nothing he has any influence in, the original recordings are just that great.
He also said he loves how his Sgt Pepper remix sounds on vinyl, even though it does sound different. The reason he was told is when mastering for vinyl they still need to cut some highs and lows. He too said, vinyl does sound different than his sources, but he too liked it.
A very interesting approach, I think. Another aspect that needs to be added to this discussion that still CDs get at least a small dose of added compression to the final mix, which often is not being done for vinyl. This makes comparisons even more complicated.
I find the HQ download movement interesting, but still they need to drastically ramp up the "packaging". There are many indie labels / artists who are doing it right and using the digital realm to their advantage: PDF booklet, readme text files, additional goodies such as graphics that can be used as backgounds, slide shows etc ... source stems for do-your-own-remix, ...
We are living in interesting times with a lot of choices. Let's use these choices creatively and consciously for each use case.
As for using digital sources, that even seems like a good idea. I have read from several producers who said, if you want to get as close as possible to what they are hearing as the finished product, cut out as much as additional factors as possible, rip your CDs to flac and listen via good computer soundcards. Even the additional factor of CD players can play a factor on changing the sound, and vinyl even more, vinyl as such is for technological reasons never true to the original signal. It's a fascinating technology, but here single components create even more very individual changes in sound. This individual flexibility (money provided) is fascinating, but it's not "true to the original" as often claimed.
Thr Beatles always complained that the bass was significantly cut on the vinyl end product, but were always told that bass had to be reduced in order to avoid tobe arm skipping especially on those then popular cheap vinyl killers.
Just a few days ago I heard an interview with Giles Martin, son of the Beatles' producer George Martin who has been involved with going back as far as possible to the unbounced source tracks and creating remixes. Bouncing was a necessity in those days when working around the limitations of four track tapes, esp. for complex recordings such as Sgt. Pepper. Going back to the source tracks alone brings us significant sonic improvements, where he sais he gets praise for the great sound of his remixes even though that is nothing he has any influence in, the original recordings are just that great.
He also said he loves how his Sgt Pepper remix sounds on vinyl, even though it does sound different. The reason he was told is when mastering for vinyl they still need to cut some highs and lows. He too said, vinyl does sound different than his sources, but he too liked it.
A very interesting approach, I think. Another aspect that needs to be added to this discussion that still CDs get at least a small dose of added compression to the final mix, which often is not being done for vinyl. This makes comparisons even more complicated.
I find the HQ download movement interesting, but still they need to drastically ramp up the "packaging". There are many indie labels / artists who are doing it right and using the digital realm to their advantage: PDF booklet, readme text files, additional goodies such as graphics that can be used as backgounds, slide shows etc ... source stems for do-your-own-remix, ...
We are living in interesting times with a lot of choices. Let's use these choices creatively and consciously for each use case.
@ouroboros For streaming without buying beforehand I don't know any alternatives, but there is Bandcamp, afaikt they pay fair (money goes directly to the artist), but you will have to buy the music before you can stream it. (You can listen the full album beforehand as often as you like, but that's thought as a preview, not streaming.)
I have had an eMusic subscription for years, but I am falling out of love with it. The files are DRM-free, which is great, but the selection is not what it once was. I have been buying more music from bandcamp lately as well.
Homepage | HDtracks - The World's Greatest-Sounding Music Downloads
HDtracks high resolution music downloads.
HDTracks doesn't seem to have a very large selection. And those prices! Ouch. Still cheaper to buy CDs.
Depends. HDTracks is good for some things. I would not recommend for anything under 96KHz. Like "Thriller" at 176kHz/24bit. Macy Gray recorded by the Chesky Brothers at 192KHz is worth the money. Soundgarden Louder than Love at 192KHz. They also have DSD (i've only seen 2.8MHz but maybe they have double and quad files?). But "most" music recorded in the past 20 (30?) years never going to be hi-res, most studios only record at 48 KHz. Les Claypool wrote a pretty good article about modern musicians getting "boned", it's online somewhere. :)
If you only care about 44KHz then a CD is definitely a cheaper way to go.
If you only care about 44KHz then a CD is definitely a cheaper way to go.
Jamendo used to be a great place for CC music. I don't know what they are up to these days, I haven't used it lately.
Jamendo Music | Free music downloads
Jamendo Music | Free music downloads
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also, i use Clementine player.. there are config/links to various music services- and internet radio. some are free and some are pay. it's a pretty good music player IMHO so it's worth checking out.
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@Waitman Gobble Thank you, yes, Clementine is great! And I'm using a little Radio-Applet, "KRadio", I like very much, it's quick, easy, small. Just a little radio. It's funny: I have very nice speakers, "Triangle", bought them 30 years ago, I have bluetooth-speakers, I have Porta Pro-Headphones - but I'm mostly listening to the inbuilt-speakers of my laptop. I think I am not the High-Fidelity-Guy...
@Stephan Maus check out my favorite radio stations: https://dub.tech.soundragon.su/
and there you could try to find at least one of your favorite radio stations: http://radcap.ru/index-d.html
and there you could try to find at least one of your favorite radio stations: http://radcap.ru/index-d.html
My favorite music-ressource for the moment: byte.fm I pay 50 Euros per year and get access to their archives and playlists. For me the best way to discover new music. Otherwise: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert.
I still have most of my music on CD, some on vinyl and still buy CDs and vinyl.
From a musician point of view: Bandcamp is pretty darn cool. Still of course closed source. Streaming sucks. Buying from the artist directly, either at concerts or by mail ordering results in the best sales margin.
Needless to say, if we want to continue to listen to good music, not mainstream that is fed to us by some big companies who can afford it, we will have to continue to support live music and musicians.
From a musician point of view: Bandcamp is pretty darn cool. Still of course closed source. Streaming sucks. Buying from the artist directly, either at concerts or by mail ordering results in the best sales margin.
Needless to say, if we want to continue to listen to good music, not mainstream that is fed to us by some big companies who can afford it, we will have to continue to support live music and musicians.
> Needless to say, if we want to continue to listen to good music, not mainstream that is fed to us by some big companies who can afford it, we will have to continue to support live music and musicians.
This! And it doesn't mean you should run to the next overpriced Metallica or [famousband] gig but go to small venues and support your local music scene!
This! And it doesn't mean you should run to the next overpriced Metallica or [famousband] gig but go to small venues and support your local music scene!
it's true. :)
i like Metallica recordings much better when they were a smallish band. But IMHO bands like Jane's Addiction and Soundgarden were still interesting as large productions, even though I first saw them as nothing bands in hole-in-the-wall bars that charged $5.00 to get in.
i like Metallica recordings much better when they were a smallish band. But IMHO bands like Jane's Addiction and Soundgarden were still interesting as large productions, even though I first saw them as nothing bands in hole-in-the-wall bars that charged $5.00 to get in.
At today's Labour Day Event, wonderful musician Bernadette La Hengst, icon of German post-feminist indie-poprock (yeah) gave a great concert. Seeing our 11 years old daughter dancing to German post-feminist indie-poprock was one of the most beautiful expériences ever. I will buy every disc of Bernadette, from here to eternity. Amen.
I have a German friend I found out was really into this band "Guided by Voices" and purchased every recording he could find. I thought it was kinda strange because they were "just" this little local band in my home town Dayton Ohio and they never like went to los angeles or anything :) lol. Probably self-produced. But somehow they are/were big in Germany.
I love Guided By Voices. Never big in Britain but was introduced to them by a mate from Boston (Mass not Lincolnshire) who I introduced to The Fall. We both won.
#themightyfall #gbv
#themightyfall #gbv
i checked out the wikipedia article about GBV, they've done quite a bit. But I'm pretty sure they never left Dayton Ohio. :)
most of the talent leaves that place.
most of the talent leaves that place.
Try starting it from the command line, you should see the error message. It's possibly a linked library version mismatch.
How do you listen to music?
Radio! The hardware thing. But seldom. Otherwise CDs. Either the Hardware as well or the ripped copies that are stored on the NAS (Synology Audio Station, I believe this is streaming)
Yea, sitting in my little 'owned music' bubble. Never got into that "streaming from the internet" mindset.